During an overnight radio program dedicated to taking calls from the listening audience from people who claim to have been employed at the famous secret-facility known as "Area-51," late- night host Art Bell received a caller who referenced a secret facility in Southern Ohio.

The anonymous caller to the Art Bell Radio Program, dated Friday night/Saturday morning, August 7 mentioned a 'secret facility' that was not directly a government agency, but 'under contract' from the government.

Beneath is the transcript of that discussion, which happened at 1 hour and 40 minutes into the program.

During an overnight radio program dedicated to taking calls from the listening audience from people who claim to have been employed at the famous secret-facility known as "Area-51," late- night host Art Bell received a caller who referenced a secret facility in Southern Ohio.

The anonymous caller to the Art Bell Radio Program, dated Friday night/Saturday morning, August 7 mentioned a 'secret facility' that was not directly a government agency, but 'under contract' from the government.

Beneath is the transcript of that discussion, which happened at 1 hour and 40 minutes into the program. __________

Art: East of the Rockies, you're on the air, good morning.

Caller: Good morning.

Art: How are you?

Caller: Very good, thanks, how are you?

Art: Fine.

Caller: Well, I don't directly work for a government agency but over the past 25 years, I have worked for companies that are under contract to the government, during the Star Wars era. And that I was thinking of two things in particular that are kind of interesting because they lead to things that are showing up now in the sky. One of them is in the 70s, there is a relationship between the company I work for and the government in working on ion propulsion, and in southern Ohio they had a large proving ground that was set up, they would buy an entire mountain and run power to the site. And for.. I guess it was almost 7 years it was a combination military and private installation, and that about every ten or fifteen days as soon as they could get it working they would fire up the engines and see what they could get out of it and try to figure out how they worked.

Art: In other words, back engineer it?

Caller: Yes, because essentially they didn't have any model to work from. Anyone who worked on the project was basically brought in to say, 'well, try to improve upon it and try to see if you can figure out how to make it useful.' And that none of us were allowed to really work with anyone else closely, you had small little nested groups, and you could work on your projects. But there was no real open communication, so it wasn't apparent until after-the-fact, in fact, as I think about it now, it was probably rather obvious but I didn't think about it at the time that no one knew how it worked.

Art: What did you actually see?

Caller: What I saw was essentially the frame and mountings with ion propulsion engines or motors or whatever you'd want to call...

Art: Slow up now, what mountings? Caller: The frames and the mountings so that it could be potentially put on a device. These things aren't terribly large and work on a rather basic principle, once you figure out what it is they are trying to do. Simply put and without saying to much, they take the space that is directly around the object and they make it so that it appears solid for just a very brief instant, and then it can push against in very small increments.

Art: That's intriguing. We're talking about a propulsion system.

Caller: Yes. And it requires a fair amount of energy to do it, but its not impossible by any means. In fact, Over the past couple of years they've made real progress with batteries like hydrogen cells that are putting out a small thing, something the size of a car, could have about 15 kilowatts of electricity, which is more than enough to run an ion propulsion system. Those things would run in a very amusing sense, like flying cars and things of that nature. But its not subject to the usual laws of the way projectile-style things like jets work. These things could kind-of nudge themselves around in any direction, and once they get moving, particularly outside the atmosphere, once they get moving, they're just kind of 'on their way.'

Art: I've been really looking forward to flying cars.

Caller: I have too, I've always enjoyed the late 40's early 50's view of the future because it always seemed really intriguing when I was young, because I thought "this is what the future is bound to be," and then I find myself in the 70s working on these things and thinking: 'boy I'm stupid here, I can't catch up with what these other people have designed and I don't know how it works,' and then later on in my life I realize that no one knew how they worked, we were all pretty much going blind.

Art: I used to have a little GEO metro, and I had a fellow up in Alaska who promised to send me a unit that would propel my GEO metro into the air. I've been looking forward to that, it still hasn't shown up.

Caller: I think a really large slingshot actually could do that.

Art: Laughs. Maybe a catapult.

Caller: Now the other company I worked for, which was actually about two-years into the Reagan Administration with the Star wars program...

Art: Yes.

Caller: The way it worked when you actually join the company was that, to prove that you could work in their environment they would bring you into a room that had a whole bunch of stuff. They would say, say choose something here, define what it is, explain how you think it works and see if you can do something with it. And they would give you about two weeks and "specked" you out and thought that you were actually capable of doing work for them, they would put a fair amount of time into testing you.